I had two doberman a blue and a fawn they both loved to play with tennis balls. By its first year the poor girl was blind, covered in sores from being in the sun without sunscreen and the animal got cancer in its liver and died before it was 4 years old. A red (also called sorrel or chestnt) horse becomes pale gold (also called palomino or isobella). We got her in the family when she was about 10 weeks old and now she is 5 years old!! Joan thanks for helping this dobe If someone has a Doberman with a confirmation championship in the US and wants to show in Great Britain it wont be allowed to if the ears r cut. We nursed her for 2 months and then gave in to euthanize her. I suppose you hold your beliefs deeply. That is the only reason. Theres a good reason that AKC registers white and white factor Dobermans with the letter Z in the registration number. PLEASE do research before you try to spout nonsense. From what i have learned over the years, and from my families history with dobermans, the coloring can be an issue. This color shouldnt be breed. if you get one and have it dna tested it may or may not be from Shebahs bloodline. Thank you for your post. I think there are a lot of moronic people on this site that are prejudiced as well as an educated even though they should stop and think that humans by their logic are imbread as well because if it was just Adam and eve then some body was double dippingso white dobermans arent alone are they? I agree with you and on a recent visit to the vet with our new rescue he was pleased to see that he was 2 yrs old before neutering (we have no choice when getting a rescue) because he said recent studies showed a 15% reduction in cancers if neutered at 2 years AS COMPARED TO NEUTERING AS A PUPPY). Dobies do demand your attention and companionship, but you cant find a more loyal dog anywhere. I have a beautiful,sweet WHITE dobie who will be five this year. NO health issues or behavioral issues at all! We rescued our white dobie. Hi, this is a great post, even after so much time. I do agree, I actually own a beautiful WL black german shepherd from east Germany. Educate yourself, you freaking twelve-year-olds. He is a great dog and slowly filling DINOs paw prints. Not only has he got sensitive skin, he has stomach problems as well. THE WHITES NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES WITH BAD SKIN OR EYESIGHT OR HEARING! We dearly loved all of our girls, their different temperaments and personalities. just because they are white does not mean you should not get them, albino does not mean they are bad. My first Black and Tan female won my mother over after the first day. It cuts their guts apart when the hydrate! When in all reality if you actually look at some if your show / working line well bred lines per say they are severely inbreed some of them in extremely close relation . To Marcela Rodriguez; a friend had a blue dobie with skin issues you are experiencing. ..is that good for your grammar, Hahahahaha lol that last question is hilarious . What makes these supposed pure breds any better than the mutts? If it has two, it bcomes white. I would also like to add that the leading mfr of dog food is and has been a problem for us, having lost several dogs to cancer. She has never had an issue in health her whole life. What I find truly aweful about this entire string of comments to dates back to July of 2008 is the fact that there is so much venom and passion about the z factor dobies but its all a senseless argument. How about do some more research , I am from Kenya and I have a black with brown colour dobberman its healthy and good.but am asking if I do feed it at night is recommended for guard dogs secondly should I shorten the tail or leave it with its tailthankyou. I have been a little crazy since as he is like yours, just as friendly and loving as can be and a little velcro. douchbag. To say all albinos today come from her blood line is false. It stands on its pads and is not usually heavy-footed. Hi, Ive been thinking about breeding Dobermans but not sure. The genetic mutation that occurs to create the white coat is not the same of that that occurs in albino dogs. So what if it was, so what if all breeds came about that way? So my question is this- If I send my puppy to a very nice behavioral/ obedience/ training school, how well will my Doberman re-integrate into the household? The winner as expected was the black & tan color with 62% of the votes, with the reds in second place with 24%. Ive had German lineage Black and Rust Dobes (larger more stout and a bit calmer), American bred Black and Tan and my favorite an American Red (brown and rust). Do you know which Doberman colors are recognized or restricted by kennel clubs? Do you live in America? In the meanwhile we have adopted a 7 months old dobie girl. I do believe that they do have a soft stomach . The animal is still considered an albino, however, because it carries an albinistic mutation. Then another $1000 for ophthalmologist.. in the end he came out ok with the saved eye. standing up for the standard is what keeps our dobes as wonderful as they are furthering a trait that isnt considered correct (yeah if you love them its correct) then you might as well cross that awesome dobe with that great confirmation intelligence and temperament with a mutt. Havashires are small dogs that tend to be loyal, playful, and affectionate dogs that love nothing more than being with their favorite humans. Breed Dobermans with good temperaments and good health, or not at all. But i would not recommand to buy a white. I mean, AKC and purebred dogs are already sick and unhealthy as it is. please dont make more problems than the breed already has ! Then of course laying a good foundation of basic obedience is essential, thats fine if someone else teaches the basics but when the pup comes home to you it needs to feel confidence and trust that youre the alpha leader now. I have to disagree about additional health problems with the white/cream. I am an animal activist, but I still think its okay to cut their ears as long as it is done correctly and under anesthesia with great care taken to keep the dog out of pain and tending to the healing correctly. Amen to that my wallet is clapping in agreement! Okay, I own a beautiful Dob. I have a Blue doberman, white doberman and Black and Tan Doberman and I think the white and blue are better dogs then the black and tan. Well then what your saying is Veterinarians dont know what youre talking about stop playing doctor fool. When my last child was born you would have thought he was her puppy. His temperament is exceptional. The fawn Doberman, (sometimes called Isabella color or cinnamon) is a diluted red. We have a 5 month old white dob named Alfonso.. so funny Marie! Also. Special consideration should be taken that the Dobermans nails are kept short so that their feet remain healthy and cat like when standing. Smh . however one thing that i have seen on most of the websites is that they do not like to be left alone for long periods of time, even in fenced in back yards. A Black and Rust pedigree Doberman Pinscher has the same chance of being a carrier of poor, breed-specific, genes as the White. it just goes on and on and so could i but im done. Take your pup home and love it. What does it matter what colour a dog is. This is where we are today. Shelter dogs are not for everyone. Their temperments were all wonderful and they were glorious blessings. Actually, any real research will show that white Dobermans are not albino. Anyone who wants to be a breeder should want to breed for the betterment, not to make money or get a color thats proven to not be good for the breed! A friggin moron would say their eyes are just like ours with normal sun sensitivity, she squints so bad in the sunlight, it looks painful. But for this specific condition it may be a good idea. I have seen heathly specimens of ALL of the colors and Ive seen all of the colors have health or temperament issues. Tails should be docked in the first 3days after the dog is born. I feel the combination is a great for the medical condition in which I am going to be using my dog for when I get it. His left front leg had all the parts it was supposed to but in a mixed up order! Katie at that point was 5 years old. Im sorry your new puppy has a heart murmur!! All-black Dobermans are rarely seen but do exist. When you purchase puppies the price is based on quality of desired traits. So see miller to make my point your message was not only informationless to me and everyone else, it was also showing how much of a dog lover you are not,If you were you would be giving information on the health issues and such like everyone else. However, there are cases in which the eyes of an albinistic animal appear red or purple, depending on the amount of pigment present. They are not standard. Has anyone experienced the skin issues? Home / Uncategorized / what is a doberman haversham. All of this snobbery over an inbred animal is simply ridiculous. Although, inbreeding would explain your human shortcomings. Just one opinion. Look at american rotts and ero rotts same for german shepards. And if they actually do their research the White Doberman has been around from the beginning. Not only is the white Doberman not albino, but ALL health problems that have been found in white dobermans can be found in other colors as well except for skin sensitivity which is found in all short haired white dogs. So they are very susceptible to sunburn, vision problems. Thank You!! Margawhat state are you in? Brenda. This poor puppy has already been through so much and I truly believe that is was brought on by improper breeding. No comparison to white Dobermans, which are albinos. Any reputable Dobe breeder will react with horror at the idea of continued or purposed breeding of these poor dogs. Our Emma and Bella were each 1 year old rescues within the family because of first health problems and later job transfer of the original owner. Doberman Pinscher, also called Doberman or Dobe, breed of working dog developed in Apolda, Germany, by Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann, a tax collector, night watchman, dogcatcher, and keeper of a dog pound, about 1890. Amen, Michelle. I have to say I actually own 4 white Dobes and 4 white factored Dobermans. they are all incredible dogs just be responsible. My first ones never had a health issue up till the day they passed peacefully in there sleep. i think whitedobielover has the most sense of anyone on here. When I worked they was able go outside in a large fenced yard . If I did nothing he would have lost his left eye also there were only 3 dog ophthalmologists in the state of SC and had to subsequently go to Charleston, SC for his therapy to try and save his eye! It has been what most often leads to fear biting which is not as prevalent in other colors. My .25 horse had an infection on the bottom of his hoof from having stepped on something. Darwins theories of natural selection might suggest that a white tiger would not be able to breed in nature due to its different-ness, however, nature and reality clearly evidence that this genetic variant continues to procreate on our planet. That is why most Police departments buy European GSD. We showed Dobermans and Afghans in the late 70s and in the last 15 years have had three Reds , one Black and Tan and one White. They do have blue eyes and excellent eye sight. I believe this is a huge factor. They have even discovered that Neanderthals had red hair and blue eyes. Also if you purchase an albino doberman you are getting ripped off. the thing is..if u breed an isabella with a red rustmy red rusts mom is also an isabella a white dobe might come out.which happened to me..they r not even relatives!..my white dobbie now is 7 yrs old..hes got no defects at allhes got 2 balls,perfect eyesight..both eyes testedno hearing defect..very clean stomach,very nice coat..his coat is a lil rough..not the usual ones dat is very flat on d skin, i did a stress test for him and he passed.. my other dobes r mad with cats most dogs i guess hehe but my white dobbie is friendly even with my hamster..:D i also have a cat and he goes along good with hermy other dobbies dont, i seriously cannot consider him a fault..as he can do what my other dobes canHE IS BETTER actually..temperament wise..i can say my dobbie isnt as troubleome as my other normalcolored dobes..not agressive..its like i own a shihtzu hahaha..:D:D, Id never say to put down a doberman that is born with the defect of being white but this dog must be spayed or neutered as soon as possible and never bred. I NO LONGER HAVE A WHITS DOBIE LIVING BUT WILL HAVE TO SAY THEY WERE SO MUCH BETTER WITH THE COATS THAN MOST DILUTE COLORS I HAVE EVER OWNED. At age 13, which is several years older than so many who die of SDS, he is looking quite good and still out running about a mile a day! Her daughter has taken over the kennel and is just as driven to support the White Dobermans and the Doberman Pinscher, as a breed, in whole. Black people have higher rates of high blood pressure and are more likely than whites to have vitamin D shortages in northern hemispheres because their skin is so dark that they dont manufacture enough of it in northern countries. Do you history and know why a doberman was ever created then ask urself will my dog do this.. And even if you think your dog will it probaly wont and if it did dit would probably get harmfully injured.. I am trying my childhood breed of German Shepards now and find myself comparing them. THEY WERE GORGEOUS DOGS WITH A UNIQUE COLOR FOUND IN A RECESSIVE GENE! Most dogs in shelters are Mutt dogs. We have two beautiful donors with no health conditions both albino! He does things that make me laugh all of the time. My pup is a normal 6 month old Dobe, she visits her fawn sis all the time and is happy and healthy. Brian, The white coloring of a Doberman IS the result of a genetic mutation. The evolution of dogs is extremely rapid and at the descretion of their human counterparts. Maybe one of you will actually finish reading this and do some of youre own research. Where do you live? They are known as melanistic Dobermans. shame on you who would cull a white pup, just because it is white. You claim to have rescued some dogs from the shelter, let me ask something, didnt it break your heart to see that overcrowding there? I now have a red Doberman, named Primo. Their nose is pink usually and skin. One only has to neuter or spay them to keep a breeding from takin place. Also many lines actually carry the Z- factor gene . WZ i found out after the fact from AKC is a designation of Dobermans with the albino trait even though he is a blue Doberman, he is a carrier and hence why he was given that designation. She is a hand full and always wants too be by your side! Can a fawn doberman have a pink nose or do all of them have brown nose? She already had beautiful manners, we just added a calm environment and patience to her life, which made her the perfect companion for us. Cause I promise not everyone loves your children. I have never been owned by a White, but Ive been blessed to know several, very, very well. I have a 3wk old litter right now. Both children learnt to walk by grabbing two fists full of Cleo and pulled themselves up? These black Dobermans are not part of the official standard for the breed. There is no health issues nor do they have behavioral issues, I find it funny when people say they are bad but have never had or seen one in person lol. How common is it? She clearly stated they are a partial albino He was badly abused so we know its going to be a long road. He has all the red & tan Dobie markings and body style but the hair texture, ears and tail of a GS. Maybe next might be another color like a Blue. My whites have never had an issue and are no different than any other color. I knew he would naturally. Explore. this makes sence, but i also have to work for a living. I cant take him anywhere without people asking if hes a show dog. It seems the Doberman breed has a very strong heart. I am fair skin and burn easy. To the guy that said the bull mastiff came about by interbreeding other bull mastiffs you are an idiot. The echocardiogram was $463. I lost my best friend 2 and a half years ago. And why would you say AKC and purebred dogs are sick anyway? I feel he needs a chance at a much better life!!! Well said sir. The White boy is the most wonderful dog weve ever had. First problem: MoZart lost ALL of his hair/coat from the neck to his hind quarters. Hey Sarah, do you know of a good breeder or where I would have the best chance of finding a white? They need adult fosters/adopters. I am not a dog breeder or trainer, nor have I too much experience raising dogs. lol. Some people love dobermans and only want a doberman. Many people crave having cute and adorable healthy pets. Its soooo cute but his skin is very sensitive and I would like to know if you can share some products to take car of it. I dont think so. If you have an Albino you should love it like you would any dog. Please contact me. Ie, If a black dog has one partial ablbinism gene, it becomes blue. Our dobbies are as a people some more healthy, some less. We also own a blue female and she has been much easier to take care of. An owner of an Albino should realize that they need to spay or neuter the animal as soon as possible. It is seen as inhumane to the dog due to the potential for serious health concerns. Ive had Dobies for over 40 years! We also had a Doberman named Cleo who was hands down the most amazing dog. if these dogs , and i say if mind you have more health , and behaviour problems than the other dobermans please dont breed these white dogs . He explained coherently, the albino thing.might you should reread the article with peace in your heart for claritys sake. White tigers are very beautiful creatures as are white lions and both occur and survive naturalistically in nature. Realistically, none of this makes a difference. Puts up with everything my kids do to him, he is protective, big and strong, and gives our family unconditional love. And ever since Ive been sharing what Ive learned with other Dobie fans. YOU ARE RIGHT, PEOPLE GET BUTT HURT OVER FACTS WHEN IF THEY DID THE RESEARCH THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE FACT FRON FICTION. Yup, did not think it wise to have a pup, but then life happens. All I would say is Cleo Beckys got you now and she would not pull. You have two dog, who has one black allel and one white. We are also in Alabama near Bham. You can use it externally on wounds or internally as well. I have owned numerous breeds all of my life and he is by far the smartest , funniest , and loyal dog of them all. my first time breeding a dobe i got black, red, fawn, white and cream. I will say that a lot of white ones end up out there for rescue or adoption. I had a Blue Doberman. My Grandparents brought me up and as a child we had a German Shepherds called Sally who was farm stock and lived to be 17 and my grandad said no matter how many dogs you have there will be one that stands out head and shoulders above all the others for me it was Cleo! In the past I had 2 German Shepperd, but after my first blue doberman all my family totally fall in love in this breed and couldnt imagine our home without doberman. But it will be years down the road. I hope theyve found him a good home by now. Bashing someones religion. I love the whites and blues they are great, KJ Hi, I dont know if you ever got an answerAs to where you could find a good, responsible, conscientious breeder, who may have White Doberman Puppies. there is no need to look into the genetics of the dog to prove the breeding is all wrong just looking at the dog should be proof enough. I love that they require not coat clipping. just because you think they look cute does not mean that the dog is comfortable when his health problems persist and flair up . I am sad to know that it is highly likely she will not live as long as some of your dobies. Im like you not wanting a puppy, but a 2-4 year old. Completely gorgeous and I have never seen another like him. They always will! You have no idea what your talking about regarding White Dobermans. I gave him back to the Lord in compassion for my love for him. Many people crave having cute and adorable healthy pets. Known ailments associated with the Doberman (Von Willebrands Disease, Wobbles, Hip-Dysplasia) come from careless breeding. If your were truly responsible with your pets this would not even be necessary. My red Dober-boy, Steele, gets a sunburn on and just above his nostrils the fist day outside in the Spring. Hence they are not a true Albino. However it is discouraged to breed these Dobermans because of their health issues. The medical condition is a specific need as stated and I feel the two breeds are a good mix in temperament Wiems have keen senses and good temperament around kids and people these dogs were bred to stay close to their owners when hunting, they are good breeds that were bred to be in the house as well as accompany their owners outside hunting they are a royal working dog class. In the next 15 to 20 years, folks will be bucked off of their high-horses, and the Z designation will be dropped in the AKC registration, and people will be free to love these animals as they should and not revile. Please spay or neuter your pets. U sound like an idiot! But dont worry cuz the american doberman is not alone. The Doberman Pinscher is a sleek, agile, and powerful dog standing 24 to 28 inches (61 to 71 cm) at the withers and weighing 60 to 100 pounds (27 to 45 kg). All white or mostly white dogs with short hair and pink or light colored skin are more prone to sun burn and skin cancer, this includes boxers, pit bulls, and terriers, which all can be solid white without albinism. White dobermans are great I have one he has no problems at all. The vet could not give me any reason not to keep the puppies or give them away to people who might want or even to sale the puppies. His name was DINO. The gray color may have a charcoal gray, silver, or purple tone. I went to the store and bought an at home UTI kit and tested her myself, I called the vet and after urine analysis it was confirmed. Being out on the street to cause a problem or die a painful death. Very important. Thanks! My lovely boxer/rottwreiler just passed away last week at the ripe old age of 16! I have had alot of dobermans over the years all colors the color does not make the dog what makes the dog is how you raise it train it love it and socialize them. A lady friend of mine brought her three kids over while we were living together ages 1 1/2 3 1/2 and 4 1/2. Other than its color points, which immediately identify this dog as a Doberman, (or a branch of the ancient Rottweiler) the differences are so dramatic that it may need to be classified as a new breed. With time, love and patience he will become the dog god intended him to be. Darwins theories of natural selection might suggest that a white tiger would not be able to breed in nature due to its different-ness, however, nature and reality clearly evidence that this genetic variant continues to procreate on our planet. You know. This statement is not intended to make you mad. Nothing wrong with her at all. To the person who spreads semi thought out racist comments you are comparing white Dobermans to insecure white people concluding with white people are unhealthy because of their skin being pale.Specifically that white people suffer from osteoporosis because they cannot go in the sun. lol!! what is a doberman haversham. black gives flavor and life, while white dilutes and uses water as base. How you can psychologically mix dog breeding with human color and racism is not just astounding and blithering in its ignorance, it is also alarming. Ive had them live to be 15 and some only make it to 4 or 5. I am sure you didnt know about the z factor before hand and it should say on its AKC papers that there is NO Z FACTOR in its bloodline if it comes from quality breeders. (Think back on your Punit Square from Biology class) We are just weening him off the noon meal little bit at a time each day. 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