A first glance through the new evidence that became available to me does not change my opinion as stated above. Sturgess additionally describes the police cleaning rod in the Fig. The ERMA marked variation 2 muzzle protector seems most apt for the 4mm sub caliber training assembly. Additionally, hand written in pencil on the wooden cover is Fehrenbach, which is an area in Germany. Army, Navy, Police, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Box 7184, The matching serial number is marked on the barrel extension, front of the frame and bottom of the barrel with the partial number "33 on most small parts including the inside of each grip panel. Normally, as stated above, these cut-back artillery holsters utilized a toe plug, in this case the subject holster is about of an inch longer, allowing the leather smith enough materiel to fold over the toe opening, mostly conforming to the 1929 and later police holsters. Pictured is a German manufactured commercial holster, original pistol model unknown, converted to accept a P.08 Luger pistol by modifying the holster body entrance. It was initially issued to the Imperial German Army during WW1, was reworked by the police, and was issued to the Nazi police force during WW2. The 1920 dated and double dated rework Lugers (DWM and Erfurt) are in the "Lugers - DWM Commercial 1898-1929" Gallery. 2: 1,223: DWM unit marked. These were finished and delivered by Mauser as stock on hand in the early '30s. The Publisher. Zone railway police used an earlier, relatively obscure 7.65 m/m caliber, FN Model 1922 pistol. Lot 0478, Jan 14, 2023. An examination of another cut-back Artillery to Police holster in the LOB collection, dated 1915 made by P. Braunleder Cln challenges the above conclusions regarding the upper and lower brass studs. 4 days Left WW2 ERA GERMAN POLICE LUGER HOLSTER RIG $200. In regard to Police manuals, this language change is first noted in a 1941 Police manual versus the apparent last use of the Fraktur font in a 1940 police manual. Note that the first photo posted by Ron has the same missing corner. were issued to. Das geistige Rstzeug fr seine Umtsausbung muss er so vllig besitzen, das ser jederzeit das Rechte trifft. Hesse, Saxony, and others. The first pictured example of a multiple conversion of an artillery to police holster conversion was done to a 1918 dated Dingeldey & Werres-Berlin artillery holster. German Army. Pistols and Holsters. Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a TP or Technische Polizeischule property stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7691;view 1, view 2 and view 3. Original stitching intact. Pictured are two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle and multiple views of the subject Police holster, being view 1, view 2, view 3 and view 4. But when Nazi party came to power, and started preparation. S.B.13.435 - Berlin unit 13 - Pistole s/n 9140e. This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjernes Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day. Berlin police group. Luger DWM 1906 Navy, 9mm, 2nd issue. LUGER POLICE P-08 MAGAZINE. Pictured is a 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum) with loading tool; view 1, view 2, view 3. had its own police buckle. Since this ammo is rare, it is considered to be collectible ammunition. links[2]='http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com'; As an example, a major Luger dealer, who occasionally offers cut-back modified/converted in the Weimar era for use with a police P.08, 4-inch barrel Luger. An examination of the P. Braunleder Cln cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass stud shows a completely different shape of style and size of either of the two different lower and upper brass stud shapes of the subject cut-back Artillery to Police holster. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 2 ----------------------------------------------------------. -techn. . 5.6 (Cleaning Kit 34) pictured (Fig. Even though the unidentified holster has been modified to fit a P.08, it is suggested by collectors that the Railway Protection Police mostly used non-Luger pistols. Each faded green soft cover Lehrbuch or text book was printed using the early offset printing process consisting of 231 pages of Weimar era Police "Guidelines". To see other police manual examples, such as full pagination and other details, click here. by Poot 06 May 2016, 17:38, Post back-side attached single, horizontal leather stock block strip and removing the center block. Pictured is a black leather 1935 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with an circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.P.R. Wissen ist Macht, das gilt fr jeden, der im ffentlichen Leben steht und vorwrstsstrebt, besonders aber fr die Polizeibeamten, da ihn sein Beruf tglich und stundlich in engste Berhrung mit der Bevlterung bringt. Example 1. 4 days Left 18th Century Wooden Box with Brass Handle. Berlin government dissolved the Einwohnerwehr. Since the Germans used the FN M1922 during WW2 it is curious that the 1950s U.S. In addition, the Guide provides guidance on wages and pension issues for the police. He should work on the internal corsage, promote public security, order and tranquility and, above all, give every citizen the opportunity to fulfill his moral duty to exercise his intellectual and physical strength to the full. an order of the Prussian Ministry of the Interior dated April 15, 1919, to Additionally, by restricting the insertion of the cleaning rod end, with affixed Reinigungsgdocht[6] or cleaning wick flush to the chamber face, prevents it from becoming detached, which could happen with a longer cleaning rod extending beyond the barrel/receiver chamber face. Faint, illegible makers markings are stamped inside the cover flap. ad[3]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Marna.jpg'; Additionally, since the subject holster body attached cleaning rod, cut-back from the original, approximately 230 m/m length to 180 m/m length (or 210 m/m total with the added 30 m/m section) leather pouch/sleeve is original to the holster body, as attested by the original stitching. and - S. H. 133. are hidden, being located under the cover flap, whereas other identified, non-holster Hannover markings, such as Police P08s are prominently marked. These cut-back, modified/converted artillery LP.08 holsters are discussed in Weimar Lugers by J. Unit marks were applied to many kinds of German military and police It is fortunate that both books stayed together since 1921 and were acquired as a set. back-side attached single, horizontal leather stock block strip and removing the center block. (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. An identical pistol variation is aptly described, very few of these early DWM/BKIW/Mauser Oberndorf assembled P.08s were made and. Pictured below are several Police Training and Instruction manuals dating from 1921 through 1949. 4 days Left WW2 ERA GERMAN POLICE LUGER HOLSTER RIG $150 . (Bavarian) State Police. RARE W.W.II GERMAN POLICE LUGER MAUSER HOLSTER - OTTO STUERTZ ALLENSTEIN. From the same time period is this beautiful DWM Swiss contract Model 1906 Luger sold on the commercial market in 1920s, and includes a vintage shooting medal from the Moudon, a historic town in the canton of Vaud in Switzerland. Pictured is one such example with pattern likely dating from the Weimar period, identified as a German fire defense police belt buckle with a beautiful design emblem with the following inscription of: God to Honor ~ Neighbor to Defend. links[5]='http://www.wwiidaggers.com'; Pictured is an example featured in Weimar Lugers by J Still, 1993, He should work on the internal corsage, promote public security, order and tranquility and, above all, give every citizen the opportunity to fulfill his moral duty to exercise his intellectual and physical strength to the full. And when new information comes out, sometimes "old" information is shown to be wrong. 19-130 text caption Sturgess specifically states that the cleaning rod pouch of the pictured cut-back artillery to police holster, currently of the LOB collection, was modified to carry the police cleaning rod with added brass stopper, which is inaccurate as the police brass stop cleaning rod with a seven ring wooden handle cannot be inserted past the added, upper leather cleaning rod pouch section, securing cover flap brass stud as the bell-shaped, rather large 13 m/m diameter brass stopper, permanently affixed to the much smaller 5.5 m/m diameter of the steel cleaning rod, engages the protruding internal metal retaining lip of the added cleaning rod pouch brass stud. Serial number stamped on the back corner 9436. the new police cleaning rod with brass stopper. section), Baustaffel der Opinion 3: I strongly believe what you have is a Heeres-Zeugamt produced holster. Chapter 4, p. 64 & Chapter 7, pp. 05-24-2021 12:04 AM by Neil Young. pistols were rejected at the acceptance procedure it would explain that these were replaced with some pistols in the v block. droop-wing eagle over WaA107 army inspection stamp located on the right side flat. institute for technology and transport. [11]. 4. During the Weimar Era, German police power remained decentralized. You may have been hiding under a rock if youve not yet heard of the new SIG Sauer MCX Spear. The side cover and the left high edge has mild wear. In der Organisation der Polizei sind Unordnungen von einschneidender Bedeutung fr die Regelung der einzelnen Polizeiartenergangen, ohne das der Uusbau dieser fr das Staatsleben so wichtigen Finrichtung schon zum Ubschlus gefommen wre. Brass stud added to the (cover) flap, additional brass stud added to the cleaning rod pouch. Polizei-Verwaltung Halle A/S.=Police Administration Halle A/S. Borge Villy Redsted Pertersen, alias 'Lieutenant Larsen' and other cover names, was among those who overcame. RIA has no less than 19 rare Krieghoff Lugers including commercial and Luftwaffe military contract guns. History Writ in Steel 2009 by L. Donald Maus in Chapter 9, on page 139 the author states: The markings from the Hannover district are some of the most confusing Ive seen. This is notwithstanding the fact that there were obviously less Weimar Era Police officers than NCO Police personnel. Im Strasrecht haben ebensalls injngster Zeit z. L. erhebliche Umwlzungen stattgesunden. . Ulle diese Reuregelungen sind bei der Bearbeitung der zweiten Uuslage berudschtigt worden und haben in einigen Ubschnitten umsangreiche Uenderungen notwendig gemacht. The ERMA variation 2 unit also uses a 1928 (Undated) "Riff" Berlin Mauser Rig (Police) SOLD. However, in 1941, Fraktur was banned in a Schrifterlass (edict on script) signed by Martin Bormann as so-called Schwabacher Judenlettern ("Schwabacher Jewish letters"). Bie der Reubearbeitung des Kap. The first stamp of WwMg/41 may signify Waffenwerk Magdeburg. These consisted of the following city and It is described as "Berlin Police Armory Acceptance Stamp. Pictured are two views of a 1933 dated A. FISCHER BERLIN C.2, sunburst (1929-36) stamped police holster, issue or pistol serial number 38. German Police Unit Marks, 1920-1937. Thanks for the help. Hard to find historic variation. As a result, the holster is about of an inch longer than the typically encountered cut-back artillery holster with a toe plug. What am I missing here? It is not very important if the delivery of these pistols took place just before the 1st of January 1930, or just after (invoiced by Mauser).". Kommando der B. Landespolizei=Command of the B. Pictured is one such P08 police grip strap example, compared against variation 1 muzzle protector 2866, where no additional marks were added. Clearly identified on the facing edge holster spine is a period artillery Luger cleaning rod pouch with brass stud and leather slit cover flap. There are other, more obscure WW1 or Weimar era police organization affiliated belt buckles with unique design emblems. The right to believe is the right of those who don't know ". revolutionaries. They're not Nazi at all, just Imperial German. Edward Tinker - Co-Author of Police Lugers & Simson Lugers - Veteran Bring Backs Vol 1-4. yes sir it the sear and magazine safety installed. Geit dem Frscheinen der ersten Uuslage im Febraur d. Zs. collar slot aligned and properly threaded, leaving a proper space allowing the Pictured are view 1 and view 2 of this unusual marked police holster. The note below is from Jim Cate and was posted on the NAPCA Forum. which Army, Navy, Police. 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