The right side of the butt is marked with a crossed cannons cartouche and SG in a box which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 124). IMMEDIATELY its how business should be done. They should not be altered or fired. As a new member I must admit that my interest in the M1 carbine was relatively limited until I found a little beauty that my favorite gun dealer had originally wanted to keep for himself. Excellent overall condition. Over 6 million were made by a number of U.S. companies to assist with the all out war effort. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. I'm guessing this indicates a Springfield Armory rebuild. 30 M1.; the top rear is marked SAGINAW S G / 3426991. Both were Divisions of General Motors. Factors like durability, reliability, and functionality are all important things to consider when choosing your next hunting go-to. This included a few of the previous Engineering carbines no longer needed. If you own one of these carbines and would like to assist with the It must not be inferred that if a carbine has a round bolt or an adjustable rear sight, it has been altered. Serial Typically these punch marks are rather deep and readily apparent. My guess is that since the receiver has the SG on the left front, it's probably a Saginaw-Saginaw and not a Saginaw-Grand Rapids (IP). Parts wear out, carbines are disassembled for the sale of the parts individually. If a receiver has its original barrel and the There is no bayonet lug. Most were of the flat top variety although the rounded bolts came into use by a few makers before production ceased. Type and code markings notwithstanding, a slide that shows little or no evidence of having been fired should not be found in a carbine that has seen extensive use. The one and only finish approved for use on the wood of the Caliber .30 Carbine was raw linseed oil. There is no erosion. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. Many were constructed using whatever parts CARBINE / CAL. The smooth push button safety is marked IP-W which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 95). Sent the OP some pictures of an all S'G' I had listed here last year, didn't get a single request for pictures from members, and asked two questions but had no reply. 12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. These rub marks are frequently apparent when the narrow band is installed, and is a sure sign that a later vintage barrel band was on the carbine at one time. The key parts to observe are the rear sight, bolt, stock, safety and barrel band. for you to submit by CLICKING HERE. I shaped sling cut, High Wood covers slide More pics on my later response. Curio & Relics and Black Powder Firearms, Old School shooting fun! Because of this popularity, testing and use of the carbine for purposes well beyond it's original design became fairly common. Ser. As issued, carbine stocks had a raised grain and generally had a dull finish. Walnut, Birch, and Cherry stocks were placed in raw linseed oil for a period of time, The elimination of the bridge strengthening the stock forward of the trigger housing weakened this area making it prone to cracks. Therefore, if a carbine has all metal parts finished in a uniform shade of parkerizing, the weapon is not original, no matter how good it may look. The bore shows an M.E. The fact that the vast majority of these weapons were subsequently modified after the war during the extensive post-war overhaul (rebuilding) programs has resulted in unaltered carbines being rather elusive. That S/N is a Saginaw Grand Rapids number. 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B Therefore, if any other carbine has this type of barrel band, it is not all original. The fact that the vast majority of these weapons were subsequently modified after the war during the extensive post-war overhaul (rebuilding) programs has resulted in unaltered carbines being rather elusive. As time goes on more and more carbines are having parts replaced. Both were Divisions of General Motors but were located in different cities. There were 3 basic handguard styles for the carbines M1 & M2, with minor variations by manufacturers that often changed over time. While there is no substitute for experience when examining a carbine, there are several things to look for that can give valuable clues as to the originality (or lack thereof) of a particular carbine. In 1942 the Ordinance District requested of General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Division take over the M1 carbine production assigned to Irwin Stock Configuration & Condition:The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. Top: M1 stock with no cutout for selector switchBottom: Cutout for M2 selector switch inside the left side of the stock. Our Assessment:ThisSaginaw SG M1 Carbine was built sometime between 1942 and 1944 from the remaining parts at the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand Rapids. Saginaw SG guns were produced from the remnants of the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand I have one, 1776xxx. and is not a very late production Inland or Winchester, one may rest assured that the piece is a post-war rebuild or has been assembled from parts. Copyright 2012-document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Newer Post , Spotting a Restored or otherwise non-original M1 Carbine. The practice of restoring the overhauled carbines by replacing later and/or non-original parts is a widespread practice among many collectors today. A number of researchers and authors are present on the forums, helping others and seeking information for various research projects. Military AAY inspector stamp on left of stock near reciever. Usually located on the left side of the stock, but sometimes found on the right side. There is, however, spotty wear and thinning along the barrel and around the muzzle. Marked INLAND MFG. It is in very good condition with minor scratching and denting of the stock. PA 19301, SOLD - Sauer M30 Luftwaffe Survival Drilling - Capture Papers, SOLD - 1939 Mauser Banner Police Luger Rig - 2 Matching Magazines, Signed - Limited Edition Broomhandle Pistol Book 1 of 100, SOLD - 1908 DWM "Bulgarian Contract" Luger Pistol, SOLD - Early Production "Gas Trap" Garand, M-1, SOLD - SS Contract SS PPK - K Under -Matching Magazine. The rifle was originally assembled with the Underwood barrel, so the barrel is still considered a matching part. NOTE: We have added in the descriptions of parts we have of different markings we have come across over the years. The Discussion Forum also serves as a reference desk for the more advanced material that could easily overwhelm a website and is often subject to opinions that may vary Winchester made 828,059, followed by Underwood Elliott-Fisher at 545,616, Saginaw Carbines made at the Irwin-Pedersen Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked SG . Inland later decided to present carbines as gifts to Inland employees, and/or carbine restoration businesses offer to include stamping the "correct" cartouche on the customer's carbine. Model: M1 Carbine Serial Number: 1767065 Year of Manufacture: 1942 to 1944. We can be contacted at the following e-mail address. on a limited basis prior to the introduction of the M2 stocks but no documentation has been Given the high volume of production, receivers were generally assembled as part of a carbine within a few months after the receiver was serial numbered. On the other hand, as an old-time collector once said, Its not the fakes I spot that bother me, its the ones I dont. They didn't come any other way--period. Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. If a Saginaw S'G' strip it down to see if it has any IP Irwin Peterson parts, could be a transitional carbine. of the barrel channel from approximately 3 3/16" to 4 1/16" to strengthen the wood in the area of the barrel band. The band will have 3 spot welds. The Type IA barrel band is marked KV-SG which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 59). The Irwin-Pedersen contracts were terminated by Ordnance. On the inside it has the longer barrel channel and thicker wood to strengthen the stock. DIV. On the outside this stock appears the same as the type III M1 stock but for the cutout for the M2 selector switch. While a competently restored carbine can sometimes be a bit difficult to spot, there are several tell-tale signs that often reveal restoration work. The receiver, bolt, and trigger group have been refinished. Make:Irwin-Pedersen. Mechanics:The action functions correctly. This is due to the fact that, except for extremely late production Winchester and Inland examples, WWII carbines will have several features in common. Caliber .30 Carbine Models M1, M1A1 and M2 (1) leftover carbines offered to Ordnance after a company name change and completion of the NPM contract (2) Toolroom Models: Pre American Black Walnut heartwood can range from a lighter pale brown to a dark chocolate brown with darker brown streaks. The stock seems to be varnished. Keep in mind, U.S. No matter what you hunt, or what type of gun you prefer to hunt with, Guns.com offers options for everyone. What does a 10,000 dollar insulator look like? Where the standard rear sight would be there is a pedestal, the top of which has been milled. This resulted in an unknown number of "presentation" carbines possibly having the same serial number as the earlier Engineering carbines. It looks good and has a strong bright bore. Resulting in the change of the design to the type V stock. Many of the marks have damaged small portions of the surface wood. 317XXXX. The thin high wood area was eliminated as it was perceived as a weak point. We hope to raise awareness and understanding for the collector community, as well as encourage new collectors to join the hobby. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. Most of these marks are light or small. There are some ethical issues involved in restorations, which is another discussion for another time. Black cherry was approved and saw very limited use. If a stock has the longer barrel channel and thicker wood but is absent the cutout for the Here is one for you. The stocks were also stamped with code markings which are normally found inside of the sling recess on the left side. SOLD - Saginaw Gear M1 Carbine. During WWII the only stocks made with Birch were made by Sprague & Carleton Co. of Keene, NH for IBM (SC-B). the store. Saginaw SG guns were produced from the remnants of the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand Rapids. for use with a select fire mechanism. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Birch. If these are stamped with bogus, but seemingly proper markings, such stocks could appear to be highly desirable mint original stocks. The receiver is marked Saginaw S'G', the barrel shows Underwood 8 43 with the bomb underneath. Saginaw Steering Gear in nearby Saginaw, MI was already engaged in the preparation for We'rebringing a level of Generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with a competently restored carbine, Probably the quickest way to determine if a carbine remains in its as issued World War II configuration is to examine a few key parts. For more information: www.p65warnings.ca.gov. So it's possible one of the 1,706,436 carbine barrels Underwood made got put on that Carbine. The magazine release is marked IP-W which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 100-101). Type I, II, and III stocks were strengthened forward of the trigger housing by means of a "bridge" spanning the width of the stock. Older Post Overall Condition:This rifle retains about 87% of its metal finish. would be used for the U.S. Carbine Models M1 or M1A1, and some of the M2's, were made well after the receiver was completed as all of these models used the same receiver. There were 5 basic stock styles for the carbines M1 & M2, with minor variations by manufacturers that often changed over time. Action Type: Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. There is light erosion at the muzzle. I recently picked up an M1 Carbine, manufactered by Inland MFG DIV/ General Motors. To separate the production of each plant the prime symbol () was marked after the SG on the receivers of the Grand Rapids carbines. annual growth rings, giving Birch a somewhat dull, uniform appearance. Chambered in .30 cal, A very scarce WW2 Saginaw manufacture U.S. M1 Carbine .30 Caliber Semi-Auto rifle. Manufacture date shows 9-43 with barrel date 9-43. The M2 stocks were often used as replacement stocks for the M1's. Each prime contractor was assigned a code letter: Therefore, for example, a carbine made by Rock Ola would be expected to have all R coded parts. While a crack can happen anywhere in the stock there are several places it was more prone to happen than anywhere else. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. Bolt is parkerized. the first M2 stocks. These marks have been oiled. I just picked up a sear marked "XI". block in the same time frame. The bore is mint. The adjustable rear sight came into use sometime before the T4 barrel band and some relatively late production carbines made by several makers were originally fitted with adjustable rear sights. Legacy Collectibles strives to provide quality investment-grade military collectibles to an appreciative public. their historical value. Read about the Saginaw (S.G.) carbines here: Serial number blocks assigned by the government. Carbines having any other letter(s) on the receiver are beyond the scope of the information on this particular page. The two most common types of wood used for caliber .30 carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. Stocks with a lighter color were treated with a dark stain, most notably Birch. To strengthen the stock where the bridge had previously been located the wood of the type V Questions should be posted in the appropriate forum. and refurbished carbines and were not permitted to use rebuild marks. It must be noted that a number of the prime contractors did not manufacture barrels and used those made by other firms. 7 day inspection period on all website purchases. PRICE LOWERED BY $500 WAS 5999.99, WARNING! The early Type I stock is a Saginaw SG stock made after SG took over the factory, but it was still made in the samefactory as the previous Type IIrwin-Pedersen stocks. There are some exceptions to this rule as several prime contractors are known to have utilized parts made for other prime contractors. It's listed with Inland. This M1 Carbine is 1 part short of being considered all matching. Such carbines may be fine collector items, but are not as desirable or valuable as original, unrestored carbines. Front sight marked with N. Military Crossed Cannons Cartouche on right mid stock face. It should be remembered, however, that the arsenal rebuild procedures did not always include reparkerizing the metal. We get the FFL from your store others make you find it, copy it, and fax it. Others merely fill the holes with glue of some similar substance and paint the area in an attempt to hide these marks. U.S. Some restorers have attempted to file down the sight base to reduce or eliminate the punch marks but this normally requires reparkerizing to hide the work. CARBINE / CAL. We did not fire this rifle. All Rights Reserved. All Rights Reserved. This product contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. I have a Saginaw SG 3.22 million range. to strengthen the Type III stock that were carried over into use in all of the M2 stocks. Such markings can be sanded off by someone wishing to remove such evidence so any sanded areas make the stock suspect. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. Sapwood is pale yellow-gray to nearly white. Photograph has been reversed to show the appearance of markings that would be produced by the fake stamps. This is not to imply thatonlythese parts are important as every component should be closely scrutinized. The letter X preceding the serial number The SG denotes that it was made for the Inland Division of GM by the Saginaw Steering Gear Division of GM. Barrel Date: March, 1943 Caliber: .30 Carbine Action Type: Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine Markings: Therefore, it is very important to examine the rear sight dovetail area very closely even though the correct type of non-adjustable rear sight may be present. The letters were followed by Contracts had a completion date but there was no requirement for completing one contract before starting another. another state. Wood being wood, it is subject to cracks. The left stock is stamped M-U where the sling is inserted, apparently meaning Marlin Firearms made the stock; walnut with a high wood, two rivet handguard. I have some other shooters so this one has been a safe queen. Thicker wood along the right side adjacent the slide (bottom). Bore Condition:The muzzle and grooves are light gray. Letter prefixes X through XD were initially allocated by Inland for carbines intended for internal use only. IP and S'G' mixed. Is any of this "original" or a product of a couple rebuilds? M2 selector switch, it was a type III stock manufactured by Winchester or Inland prior to It is in about Very Good Plus overall condition. These stamps were commercially manufactured for use on the Most everything can be easily bought online these days. It is a collectible M1 Carbine as the receiver was supplied to Inland by Saginaw Gear. Most of the markings are deep. This rifle is a must have for any WW2 or vintage collector. It will add to your WWII collection. Photograph has been reversed to show the appearance of markings that would be produced by the fake stamps. It makes a difference. Saginaw marked the Grand Rapids factory M1 Carbines SG to differentiate them from the ones produced at the original Saginaw plant. Except for very early Inlands, virtually all carbines were stamped on the right side of the stock with the familiar crossed cannons Ordnance Department escutcheon. A few of the manufacturers used subcontractors to manufacture their receivers. own to figure out what you want. The trigger group is a type two pattern with the upright Inland markings on Irwin-Pedersenhad assembled only 3,542 guns at the time, none of which were accepted by the government. To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. had passed inspection. This M1 Carbine has been rebuilt and now uses a mix of Inland and USGI parts. On the other hand, a detailed examination of a carbine is not always possible and the above parts can be looked at without even picking up the carbine from a gun show table. Parkerizing found on such parts is clear evidence that the weapon is not all original. The U.S. Carbine Caliber .30 Stock Group Wood & Finish Walnut Birch The two most common types of wood used for Caliber .30 Carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. At least one document has been found that indicates Saginaw received Ordnance We buy and sell collectible firearms and militaria ranging from the Civil War to Desert Storm, specializing in WW1 & WW2. The Grand Rapids facility stopped carbine production on 01 Jan 1944 but continued to make receivers and trigger housings which were sent to the Saginaw Plant for assembly. It has a high wood stock and the serial number is in the 3.3 mils. The 15 round magazine is not available to residents of California or any other state with magazine capacity restrictions. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. American Black Walnut was the most common wood used. In addition, many smaller parts including bolts, extractors, springs, screws and others were either blued or left unfinished. The right side of the receiver shows some thinning from cycling. Rangemasters are here to answer all your questions about our products or process. Some people estimate a carbine's date of manufacture by adding the quantities manufactured month to month I've spent the day going over my Inland. Any completed Irwin-Pederson rifles were most likely reassembled and reinspected by Saginaw SG after they took over the contract. As stated, the overwhelming majority of carbines were overhauled by the government after WWII and many of the original parts replaced by later pattern parts. Good luck. Stock Configuration & Condition:The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. Ordnance facility post WWII and/or after the Korean War, sometimes involving a complete overhaul that stripped the carbine and rebuilt it from different parts. Markings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. The rifle comes with a 15 round magazine. Some were sequential but many were not. Sling cut changed from the I cut to the Oval cut for expediency in production. Ordnance also inspected The inside of the operating slide is marked IP which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 65). / 44. The stock rates in about Very Good Plus overall condition. Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. This M1 Carbine is 1 part short of being considered all matching. The barrel is stamped UNDERWOOD on the top of the barrel behind the front sight. It has seen some use but most of the markings are in great shape. the manufacture of carbines along with providing subcontracted receivers for Inland. A few stock and/or carbine restoration A carbine that has obviously seen some use will show battering of the slide in this area. Get a heads up on all of our Sales, Promotions, and news updates (about 1 email per month). Heck I should take some photos later. There is a light import mark on the right side of the barrel. The barrel flat is marked with a flaming bomb. receivers were brought back online and completed (i.e. Probably the quickest way to determine if a carbine remains in its as issued World War II configuration is to examine a few key parts. Saginaw = SG; Saginaw (Grand Rapids) = SG Standard Products = S; Irwin-Pedersen = IP; IBM = B; Rock Ola = R; National Postal Meter = N; Quality Hardware = Q; Underwood = U; Therefore, for example, a carbine made by Rock Ola would be Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition. Irwin-Pedersen Numbers Reassigned to Saginaw at Grand Rapids. The stock shows several scrapes, scratches, and compression marks. Thinning on the trigger group. It's the first I've seen. If you choose to do so please The Carbine Collectors Club. No one, so far, at CMP has ID'ed it yet. I bought it a few years ago from another Calguns member. A few unconverted type III stocks absent the bridge have due to a lack of original documentation. A very scarce WW2 Saginaw manufacture U.S. M1 Carbine .30 Caliber Semi-Auto rifle. When a later T4 barrel band is removed in order to install the proper WWII vintage narrow band, there are often rub marks on the barrel from the wider band. While most major component parts such as receivers, barrels (with a few exceptions), trigger housings, etc. Through our YouTube channel, we strive to educate and share the stories behind the artifacts we sell. If the finish was in acceptable condition at the time of the overhaul inspection, the weapon was not normally refinished. It also has a S'G' stock and hand guard with an IP butt plate. Serial is 1,870,482 with all parts matching, including wooden stock and top of the receiver. Caveat Emptor! The rifle comes with a green canvas sling. Markings:There is no visible import mark. 30 M1. and the top rear is marked SAGINAW SG / 3289121. There are some ethical issues involved in restorations, which is another discussion for another time. There was no requirement as to using the serial numbers in order. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. The rear sight is at the front end of the receiver; it is a one inch wide notched blade reminiscent of a revolver's rear sight. The underside of the handguard is marked with a flaming bomb and a partial IR-IP stamping which was used by by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG(page 138). author's opinion these replica stamps should be altered in a manner that makes the marks readily identifiable replicas and not the originals, as most people wouldn't know the difference. A full parts list with their markings is included in the photographs. Refer to the page on Post World War II Activities for a list of the markings and further information. The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes. Lock, Stock & Barrel Investments The smooth push button safety is marked E-SG which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 95 & 185). The sling well is marked IR-IP which was used byIrwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG(page 108 109). XA through XD was assigned for use by their Engineering Section on carbines built for testing and evaluation by their engineers. Documents found in the past have identified several prime contractors who assigned subsets of their serial numbers to their subcontractor(s). Serial numbered receivers that failed to pass inspection were set aside as rejects if the defect(s) could not be brought up to minimum standards. The gun comes with one period-correct magazine. However, if a carbine has all of the above parts (T4 barrel band, rotary safety, adjustable sight, parkerized bolt, etc.) Late during the production of their type III M1 stocks, Winchester and Inland increased the length until Ordnance arranged for additional barrel manufacturers. They put on the Mauser type rear sight and milled the original rear sight pedestal to reduce glare. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. Most of the markings are deep. The sling is marked with a blurred stamping between the buckle & strap. Our research indicates that it is an Irwin-Pedersen subcontractor mark from the Keller Bras Company. Some enterprising fakers have welded up very deep staking punch marks, ground off the excess and refinished the receiver. Thank you. Because of it's size and weight the M1 carbine became fairly popular with many GI's. The stock shows several scrapes & scratches. Location: The People's Glorious Republik of Southern Kalifornistan. Saginaw Steering Gear Division of General Motors Grand Rapids. barrel channel (top) community. 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